Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Nightlife w/college student-problem w/research

Staying in the 6th w/my college age niece over Thanksgiving weekend whose priority seems to be partying. Nothing wrong w/that but we%26#39;re too old to go clubbing. Any ideas for fun bars w/ dancing? I am making a distinction between %26quot;clubs%26quot; and fun bars that have good music %26amp; dancing to eliminate super-loud house, techno or trance music. We don%26#39;t need to stay in the 6th for nightlife, but anything walking distance would be helpful since it%26#39;s impossible to get a taxi late night. Also looked for alternate entertainment such as a movie at the Rex, but nothing appropriate that week. Live music at the Olympia, also nothing. Walking tour-too cold to walk for 3 hours in late November. Bateau mouches-not so exciting for a 20 year old-afterward there would still be lots of time left in the night. She won%26#39;t be ready to appreciate the Opera or the Ballet for another 15 years, not to mention we don%26#39;t feel like spending hundreds of euros for cultural events that aren%26#39;t going to be met enthusiastically. Sorry to sound cheap, we%26#39;re willing to spend some money on nightlife, but already spending gobs on accomodations, meals, transportation, etc. so hoping to find budget friendly ideas. We%26#39;ve plenty of youngster-friendly daytime ideas: Montmartre visit followed by crepes, walking from Isle St. Louis to Notre Dame w/stop at Berthillon, two-hour ninja attack on the Louvre w/the obvious highlights, daytrip to Reims for a champagne tasting at Veuve or Taittinger, photo opportunity at the Trocadero followed by walk across the Pont to the Eiffel Tower %26amp; up to the top, tour of the Opera Garnier followed by cocoa %26amp; pastries at Laduree %26amp; anything else we can think of that will enable us to sneak in cultural %26amp; historic sites with a spoonful of (sometimes literally) sugar. All these are fun, but those hours between the end of dinner and 3:00 a.m. are hard to fill so I was hoping to find some reasonably fun spots where the crowd is young enough to be interesting to her %26amp; old enough that we don%26#39;t feel out of place. Help?!




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Do you know directly from your niece that she%26#39;s %26quot;not ready to appreciate%26quot; the opera or ballet? If not, ask her. My daughters all loved both, along with various other cultural events, before they got were old enough for high school, and continue to love both, to this day.





I%26#39;m always in favour of handing a younger person a guide book and asking for a wish list. It%26#39;s much the easiest way of finding out what would be of interest, and you may be surprised at what she finds intriguing. Additionally, she may not be so interested in late, late nights after having walked all over Paris all day before hand, so I don%26#39;t think you need loads of ideas. A couple will probably suffice. Consider a jazz club while you%26#39;re doing your research. Paris has always had several good ones.





BTW, the staff/bar tender at any club will happily telephone a cab for you at any hour.




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I have not taken my daughter to the opera, but she does like the ballet and symphony. She likes plays too, but probably not so much in French. She will be 12 next month, so I certainly don%26#39;t think your niece is too young. Perhaps she is not interested, but I wouldn%26#39;t blame it on her age. Also, probably her idea of partying is not with her aunt/uncle (I don%26#39;t know this for sure of course, but am just judging from my college years.) I know I could not have stayed up until 3AM after walking all over Paris all day, and my daughter did not argue at all about going to bed around 10:00 or 11:00 (we went in the summer and that was when it got dark), sometimes she even went to bed earlier on her own:)




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If you are planning to cram all those daytime activities into one weekend, she will probably be exhausted long before 3am!



I have %26#39;kids%26#39; in this age group/a little younger and what they like doing in Paris at night is: seeing the Eiffel Tower lit up, watching street performers, visiting the car showrooms on the Champs Elysees, visiting the Tour Montparnasse, sitting in a cafe and watching the world go by, walking by the river....all the usual touristy stuff, but lit up at night. They would not want to be cooped up in a cinema/concert/theatre whilst in Paris, those are activities to do back home in the UK.



At 20, she is old enough(and some!) to ask her what she wants to do.




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http://www.chez-felix.com/index2.html





This place might meet your criteria. Hard to find a place for opera loving aunt and a partying loving niece to both have fun in.





There are tons of 20 year olds out partying on this street at night.




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You might be surprised to find that a walking tour might not be bad at all in late November. Our weather is similar to that of DC this time of year...





It will be chilly, but probably not snow...and walking keeps you pretty warm.




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I fervently hope that you are underestimating your 20 year old college student niece. Perhaps you could give her a couple of guidebooks (I would suggest the DK Eyewitness Guide and at least one of Access, Lonely Planet, Let%26#39;s Go or Michelin) and ask her to come up with a list of places she would like to go and things she would like to see. Invite her to go online and research all the special events that will be taking place in Paris while you are there, in addition to the same old top ten %26quot;must sees%26quot; in Paris. Give her a deadline — perhaps a week — and if she can%26#39;t come up with a better list than yours in that time you might seriously consider leaving her at home where she would apparently be happier in any case. Why spend %26quot;gobs%26quot; of money taking your niece to Paris if the only thing she is going to show any interest in is where she can party until 3 a.m.?





(Am I the only one who is appalled that you should be willing to provide or your niece should expect to receive regular bribes (of sugar yet!!!) to persuade her to put up with the pain of spending a vacation in Paris? She%26#39;s an adult woman for Pete%26#39;s sake, not a 5 year old child who needs to be rewarded for being brave when she got her flu shot...)

Two female staying on 35 rue des Ecoles.. safe area?

This will be our first time in Paris and we will be there for 3 nights and then plan on renting a car and driving down to Grasse. Any suggestions on cafes, places to eat that will give us true French food without breaking the bank? Some nice cafes that we can enjoy some wine and people watch in the evening? Any suggestions would be appreciated!




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To answer your first question, I have stayed in the area and I always felt very safe, even if walking by myself at night (I%26#39;m female). It is a busy area, so there will be other people out and about.





I am not a foodie so I don%26#39;t remember/never paid attention to the names of restaurants and cafes, but there are a multitude of places to eat and drink in that area. All menus are posted outside so you can look at them prior to entering.




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I was just there last week. The area is great and perfectly safe. For eating we like the street called Rue Mouffatard. There are some places at the Square Contrascarpe. We ate at Delmas twice and liked it. The little quiche place down the hill a ways, is great. The place with the black and white cows in the window is good too.




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I echo the post above. I just got back from Paris and walked through that area a lot. Very safe feeling. Tons of places to eat in the area.





I ate at this place last night tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g187147-d1…





Very lovely, warm people and the food was great. Very popular restaurant in an area packed with places to eat.




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You will be surrounded by places to eat and all restaurants must, by law, display their menus with prices, outside their establishments, so jus wander auntil you see something you like and have at it! For people-watching the Place St. Michel is the best area close by, but again there are cafés everywhere in that area...





On another topic, unless you are planning a leisurely trip to Grasse with lots of sight-seeing along the way, you%26#39;ll get there a lot quicker and probably cheaper if you take the TGV to Aix-en-Provence and rent your car there.




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The little place Suzanne mentioned %26quot;down the hill a ways%26quot; is called Mouffe-Tarts. It%26#39;s terrific. It%26#39;s tiny...I mean TINY. I think it seats 16 a la sardine. I took two friends a couple of weeks ago and they both said it was the best lunch of the trip. If you%26#39;re a fan of eggplant (aubergine) do try the eggplant parmesan tart. It%26#39;s fantastic. You can actually taste (wonderfully fresh) eggplant!




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Happy Goin%26#39; - a little off-topic so I hope I won%26#39;t be deleted! I thought eggplant parmesan tart sounded wonderful so did a google search to see if I could find a recipe. You won%26#39;t believe this, but the only thing I found which might slightly resemble what you%26#39; re talking about was from the Boston Globe! Small world. :-) Is this similar?



boston.com/lifestyle/…




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The area is fine. Happy Travels!




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Hi Kiwi, I am a religious reader of the food section of the Boston Globe and remember that piece! I didn%26#39;t until you linked it, so thank you.





This should keep things on topic :) The tart at Mouffe-Tarts was similar to that recipe except that there wasn%26#39;t lots of gooey mozzarella cheese (something I dislike intensely anyway). There was parmesan cheese, which isn%26#39;t gooey at all, or shouldn%26#39;t be. And only a bit of it. Plus it was in puff pastry, bien sur. I would guess that the BG editors were simplifying the recipe for home cooks when they called for a pizza dough crust. Ha! Have they never heard of Dufour??





My problem with most eggplant parm is that all that gooey cheese masks the delicate flavor of the eggplant. Why not just melt a gob of cheese on a plate and scarf that down?? At any rate, Mouffe-Tarts is a good enough reason for me to have a run over to r. Mouffetard for lunch when in Paris.




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This is a safe area! I walked around with my girlfriend at night and never felt threatened. Go down to the St.Michel metro area and plaza- there are plenty of people walking around and eating. There is a nightclub on the left side if you are facing the statue/fountain that had a line extending down the street. Lots of places to eat in this area.

List of Hotels with Family / Quad rooms

I did a lot of heavy researching for my up coming trip as I needed a quad room for a couple of nights while in Paris.





Luckily, I found many different options at all price levels through out Paris.





I wanted to share that list with the forum since the question comes up a lot and often time’s posters advise that there are not a lot of options or the best bet would be an apartment - which isn%26#39;t always ideal for everyone.





Here%26#39;s a list of 0-3 star hotels ranging in price from 72 to 350 euros a night. For the most part they all rate from 3.0-4.5 on TA except for a few that are a 2.5 or haven%26#39;t been rated yet.





1st



www.hotelderouen.net



www.hallehotel.fr



www.hotel-paris-montpensier.com



www.paris-hotel-bourgogne.com



www.hotel-britannique.fr



www.paris-hotel-bourgogne.com



www.paris-hotel-bastille.com (2.5)





2nd



www.hotelsaintemarie.com



www.ascotparishotel.com



www.hotel-paris-favart.com





3rd



www.paris-france-hotel.com



www.paris-hotel-americain.com



www.hotelbellevue75.com





4th



www.jeannedarchotel.com



www.hotel-loiret.fr



www.saintlouismarais.com



www.hotelbretonnerie.com





5th



www.andre-latin-paris-hotel.com



www.hotel-desmines-paris.com



www.hotel-marignan.com



www.hotel-grandes-ecoles.com



www.hotel-paris-familia.com



www.hotel-paris-minerve.com



www.bresil-paris-hotel.com



www.hoteldesgrandshommes.com



www.parishotelroyalcardinal.com



www.hotel-cluny.fr



www.hoteldulevant.com



www.hoteldupantheon.com



www.residencehenry4.com



www.paris-hotel-senlis.com (2.5)



www.excelsior-paris-hotel.com (2.5)





6th



www.eugenie-paris-hotel.com



www.hotelmicheletodeon.com



www.regent-paris-hotel.com



www.hoteljardinodeonparis.com



france-hotel-guide.com/h75006saintandredesar…



www.chaplain-paris-hotel.com



www.paris-hotel-grandbalcons.com



www.hoteldanube.fr (apartment)



www.hotel-marronniers.com



www.hotelresidencedesartsparis.com



www.residencedupalais.com (not rated on TA yet)



www.globe-paris-hotel.com (2.5)





7th



www.hotelparispaix.com



www.hotelebermars.com



www.paris-hotel-tulipe.com



www.hotel-palais-bourbon.com (2 adjoining rooms)



www.hotel-eiffel.com



www.hotelvaladon.com



www.eiffelpark.com





8th



www.champselysees-paris-hotel.com



www.hotel-paris-orient.com





9th



www.hotel-langlois.com



www.hotelmontecarlo.fr



www.les3poussins.com



www.paris-hotel-hollande.com (2.5)





10th



www.exposition-paris-hotel.com





11th



www.hotel-lyonmulhouse.com



www.hoteldenevers.com



www.garden-hotel-paris.com (2.5)





12th



www.hotel-defrance-paris.com (2.5)





13th



www.hotelgobelins.com





14th



http://hotelvoyageursparis.free.fr/english/ (not rated on TA)



www.paris-hotel-odessa.com (2.5)





15th



www.delosvaugirard-paris-hotel.com



www.innovahotelparis.com





16th



www.hotel-nicolo.fr



www.trocadero-la-tour.com





17th



www.hotel-troyon.com



www.hotelriviera-paris.com (not rated on TA)



www.hotel-paris-batignolles.com





18th



www.paris-hotel-pavillonmontmartre.com



http://ermitagesacrecoeur.fr/




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Brilliant! you did do a LOT of research, didn%26#39;t you?




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Yes I did. I have an on going list for some time now on Paris.




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Hi Elsie





Thank you for compiling this great list. It is very very useful.




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That%26#39;s great, fantastic idea - it will save me a lot of work! Hope you enjoy your trip to Paris.




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Thank you for sharing your list.




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Great job Elsie, very useful even for French guys ! Thanks.




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Elsi: Tripadvisor should make this a %26quot;sticky%26quot; or give it a separate inside page. It%26#39;s brilliant and so tremendously helpful.





Folks at Tripadvisor central, are you listening...I mean reading! Moms




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Also to note: hotels with quad rooms will also have TRIPLE rooms, so this list is good for that, as well.




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I%26#39;m glad it%26#39;s been useful.




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There is another in the 14th. The Hotel de Bretagne (a Best Western). We stayed there a couple years ago. Really enjoyed the location, even though it is not in the thick of things. Their website is www.bwbretagnemontparnasse.com

A 2nd bit of a trip report

One other bit I forgot was that I did a lot more walking on the Sunday, up and down Rue St. Antoine a couple of times, through the Hotel de Sully and into Place des Vosges. I can see why P des V is popular but for a lovely, quiet sit for 5 minutes in the sun, the hotel courtyard was much nicer.





So: Monday.



Now, I know purists will fling up their hands in horror but today I planned to make very good use of my L%26#39;Open Tour hoho 2-day pass. There are 2 stops in the Place de la Bastille, and I knew I wanted the Rue St. Antoine one, which starts at 09:15 and heads off towards Notre Dame. A bus was parked right there and I walked smartly up to it. The doors remained closed. I%26#39;m British, I wait in queues, even queues of one, so I stood. I got out my email voucher suggestively, and smiled at the 2 ladies standing in the bus talking to the driver, I supposed they were hostesses, some of these buses have them. They smiled back. Then they drove off. Hm, I thought.



It was another sunny and golden, crisp morning, so I set off smartly down Rue St. Antoine, figuring if the tourist bus went that way it must lead somewhere %26#39;interesting%26#39;. I strode out smartly, wondering if that glimpse of tower in the distance was Notre Dame. It wasn%26#39;t, it was Tour St. Jacques, and very photographable. I turned left, because the buildings looked interesting and shortly saw a queue of people. I was reminded of the olden days in the Soviet Union when, if residents saw a queue they joined it, only then asking what it was for: it was bound to be for some previously shortage goods that were now in stock. I decided that the Paris equivalent was that if there was a queue of people, it had to be A Sight. It was the Police Prefecture, and I don%26#39;t know if people were touring or presenting themselves on police bail, but it slowed me down long enough to orientate on my actual first choice of the day, Ste. Chapelle.





I queued for less than 10 minutes to get through security, alarming a 15 year-old policeman (yes, they get younger in France every year too) by having left 20c in one pocket which set his alarm of.. The underwire in ladies%26#39; underwear tends to do that too but he looked too young to talk bras to. The a queue of none to buy the ticket and into the chapel. I thought it was beautiful, loved the colours and shapes, and bought a guide book to take home and read afterwards. The spiral staircase up was easy - because there%26#39;s a separate down staircase, so there was no squeezing past each other on narrow treads. The upper chapel was even more beautiful, I loved the stained glass. Then when I turned round to go back and saw the amazing rose window, it was another bursting into smiles day.





On to ND, still on schedule, to hear a school choir from England sing. An amazing, amazing acoustic, you could almost see the sound roll around above their heads. I only stayed for one piece - I can hear English choirs in England - and headed off to the hoho bus, which I finally cornered and mounted; er, boarded. I took the whole of the green line trip, and I can thoroughly recommend it as an introduction to the major sights of this amazing city. I enjoyed the commentary and even the kitschy music in between was fun. The bus was quite empty and I got lots and lots and LOTS of photos. The place that tempted me most was the Louvre and all the complex of buildings and gardens that go with it. I will definitely return to explore that area.





Back to ND and I swapped to the Blue line to take me home to the Bastille. It took me a couple of buses to realize that the colour of the line is displayed in a square in the front left window (left as you look at it) - logical when you know, hard to spot when you don%26#39;t. The downside of the buses is that it gets very, very cold up there and I didn%26#39;t have enough layers on, I began to develop a permanent shiver. I stopped at the Cafe Opera, where I%26#39;d eaten on my first evening, for a wonderful hot chocolate: no bells and whistles and fanciness, just delightful, silky, creamy, HOT chocolate.





I need someone to point me to the thread about cafes and restaurants and what one might order where. I wasn%26#39;t sure if I could go into a cafe around the lunch period and have just one dish, or a hot drink; and whether tables that are set are available or only for food and so on and so on. While trying to find an eatery that I felt comfortable with, I found a small supermarket and bought rye bread, a charcuterie selection, some butter and blue cheese, a 6-pack of small waters and toted that back to the hotel. That made the rest of my meals, breakfasts included for the rest of my stay. Given that I really wasn%26#39;t up to large meals, all I needed was sustaining food and this was definitely that, and tasty.





Time was wearing on after my room-picnic, and I got back on the Blue line for the 2nd half of that tour, round past the Institut du Monde Arabe, the canal St. Martin, the Library etc. I%26#39;d added 2 extra layers and one of the Richard Lenoir shawls - they%26#39;re good and warm!, but it was still getting chill.





I%26#39;d noticed on this leg how close my hotel was to the Promenade Plantee on the Viaduc des Arts, so when we got back to the Bastille I set off and walked about a mile and a half of it. It was dusking and glowing and beautiful, I could have walked a lot further but had to turn back to get ready for the opera.





The Opera Bastille was well layed out and the staffing was very good. I had a mid-price ticket up on the 2nd balcony, level 6 in the lift, and I was surprised just how good it was. The sight lines were excellent, the seats comfortable and very well raked: I often suffer in older theatres because I%26#39;m short and it%26#39;s often hard to see but this was very good indeed. Speaking to a Parisian the following day, who was not a great fan of the building, I had to agree that maybe the house was just a bit big for the production I%26#39;d seen, die tote Statdt. The action all takes place in someone%26#39;s claustrophobic sitting room, so perhaps a smaller, more intimate theatre would have been better for emphasising the claustrophobia. The music was great, the orchestra was excellent, the singers great singers but not terribly good actors, it should have been a lot more intense than they were. It didn%26#39;t help that I got it into my head from Act 1 Scene 1 that the hero looked like Ricky Gervaise from behind and the opera was not a comedy.





The Bastille area felt perfectly fine to be sauntering around at this time of night, around 10:30 - 11:00 when we got out - lots of activity but, as far as I could tell, a lot of the activity was being done by local Parisians, so there was no sense of tourist trap. It was nice to be home in 90 seconds though. Once again I opened the windows - Paris seemed to warm up slightly in the evenings - and looked at the passing traffic while finishing the last of the minibar wine.



And so to bed.



I realized half way through the opera that I wouldn%26#39;t be able to retrieve the Jacquemart Andre Museum, which I%26#39;d missed today but could fit in tomorrow, because my prepaid ticket was date and time specific. Yes, I know I could queue up and pay again - but I could also choose to reserve that for my next visit (March, God willing, I%26#39;m planning it even now) and take myself off to the Louvre. Not only did I want to explore all around but I wanted some of those cheapo T. Eiffel keyrings from the traders. Kitsch but purposely kitsch.





So that was the plan for tomorrow but come tomorrow ........ to be continued..




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another lovely and amusing report we stay right where St Antoine turns into Rue Rivoli so know the area keep up the good work



cheers



jim




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Aildih, are you sure it was Paris warming up at night while you were drinking your wine??????




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I love your style! I can%26#39;t wait to read more.





%26gt;%26gt;They smiled back. Then they drove off.%26lt;%26lt;





You got me laughing so hard with that one! I could see the three of them turning their heads to you simultanuously, breaking into a big smile, and scroll away!




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Yes, doc, I agree. I feel as though I%26#39;m watching a BBC comedy sketch :)

directions please..

from Gare du Lyon to Disney Paris on public transport





thanks




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As simple as going down the the RER portion of the Gare de Lyon station compex...looking for the signage to the RER %26#39;A%26#39; ligne trains (a bit like the regular Métro...but for %26#39;suburban%26#39; destinations) and taking the RER %26#39;A-4%26#39; ligne train (heading in the direction of Marne La Vallée-Chessy-DisneyLand Paris...and %26#39;A%26#39; train with a four-letter %26#39;..Qxxx..%26#39; designation...frequency 1-train-every-10-minutes)...take a seat...enjoy the ride for the next 35 minutes, to the end-of-the-ligne at MARNE LA VALLÉE-CHESSY-DLP station...then get up exit the train...and walk the 100 meters or so from the station exit to the main entrance to DLP.





The regular round-trip fare is 13,10€...but your best bet will be to purchase a one-calendar-day MOBILIS ZONE 1-5 transportation pass for 13,20€...which covers your round-trip travel between Paris and DLP and all other public transportation fares withing Zones 1-5 for the rest of the day.




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Take RER A (A4, direction Marne de la Vallée-Chessy, but you%26#39;ll see Mickey logos on the signs anyway), and get off at the terminus.





Don%26#39;t worry, Disney won%26#39;t let you get lost on your way to the ticket booths.





It%26#39;s a special tarification, you need to buy a special ticket to get to an RER station outside Paris. A regular ticket will get you on the RER A, but you wouldn%26#39;t be able to get off at Marne la Vallée - Chessy.





In the metro they also sell round trip + entrance tickets to Disneyland. I don%26#39;t know if it%26#39;s cheaper, but it could save you some time at the park.





(I guess 20 people have answered the question while I typed that, but whatever)

cheap accomodation in La Tania

is there such a thing hoping to go over in january to visit a mate that plays in a band but would like somewhere to stay even its very basic / rough but all i can find are expensive hotels and appartments anyone any ideas




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Hello, you should be posting in Savoie and not Alpes de Haute Provence. However, the answer is most likely no: this is Courchevel after all and since when is there cheap accomodation there? I understand La Tania is a very recently developed resort so chances of finding something right there are slim to none. Maybe if you widen your search area, thus accepting some sort of public transportation if it exists (I do not know the area) you will find something cheap.




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Hi I suggest posting your question in the Courchevel or Savoie forums




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I did some digging on internet, hope you master some French!



tourisme-savoie.com/…550.html

My apologies for the exchange rate

I started thinking that we might go to Paris in the spring and of course the exchange rate goes up. Sorry to all you who might go too!




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Oh! You%26#39;re the culprit!




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The exchange went up for current travelers, you%26#39;re probably %26#39;safe%26#39; for spring. Of course, you might be driving up airfares!




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I checked and it was $1.58 during our last trip in April 08 so i guess it could be worse.




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You%26#39;re forgiven, but please cut it out. :)



Are you messing with the british pound also?




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1.38, 1.63 and 1.43...so, todays 1.50 is about near the average of my last three trips but a far cry from getting 1.1E for every dollar like a decade ago. However, we have gotten good enough deals on air and hotel to make a trips worthwhile.




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Kind: No no I would never mess with the pound--my English cousins would be furious!




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in the last 8years have paid a low of1.47 to a high of 1.71 canadian never stopped me from going just had to adjust my wine intake (sure you did foss)



cheers



jim




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There was a short but blissful period when the value of the €uro fell to below $0.90 US. Those were the days, my friend...




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amen to that rover




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Yup. I remember it well. It made the mental calculations at a shop a breeze, as I recall.